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Mallich
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:30 am    Post subject: [Other] Allow characters without chalk to remove graffiti Reply with quote

Currently, characters can click "use [chalk/marker/blood]" while leaving the text field blank. This removes graffiti from the area. However, characters still need to have a piece of chalk, a magic marker, or somebody to murder in order to remove graffiti.

Suggestion: Allow people to remove graffiti even if they don't have chalk/marker/blood.
Characters still require chalk/blood/marker in order to write something.

Reason: It would allow anyone, not just searchers, to clean up the Nexus of things that they find offensive/disgusting*/irritating**, etc.

*E.g. all the coprophiliac stuff that's been popping up around the Nexus.
** Those many, many adverts for a certain browser-based game.

EDIT: 11:38 game time.
Removing graffiti in this way costs 3 action points.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this idea for chalk and blood but not for marker (which I think was intended to be more permanent but I could be wrong there).

I realize this can leave messages up you'd like to remove but since it's easier to find chalk than markers (YMMV) it should still provide a lot of solution to the current state of affairs.

Also, IMO, the Remove Graffiti command should cost 3AP or so (the effort of rubbing the words off) so that it offsets not having to search for writing implements.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GCP wrote:
I like this idea for chalk and blood but not for marker (which I think was intended to be more permanent but I could be wrong there).

I realize this can leave messages up you'd like to remove but since it's easier to find chalk than markers (YMMV) it should still provide a lot of solution to the current state of affairs.

Also, IMO, the Remove Graffiti command should cost 3AP or so (the effort of rubbing the words off) so that it offsets not having to search for writing implements.


I have to agree with all of this.

Graffiti isn't necessarily going to be 'polite'. While the occasional porn link is going to be grounds for a site ban, for the most part it's harder to clean up paint with soap and water than it is to apply it (or apply more).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. 3 AP it is, then. Any more suggestions?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mallich wrote:
Ok. 3 AP it is, then. Any more suggestions?


Other than a "Bucket of Soapy Water" item, it's pretty reasonable.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mallich wrote:
Ok. 3 AP it is, then. Any more suggestions?

3ap seems excessive. Perhaps doubling the AP requirement to 2ap would be sufficient.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GCP wrote:
I like this idea for chalk and blood but not for marker (which I think was intended to be more permanent but I could be wrong there).
Keep It Simple. Let's have everything share the same basic mechanic.

Aeneas wrote:
Mallich wrote:
Ok. 3 AP it is, then. Any more suggestions?
3ap seems excessive. Perhaps doubling the AP requirement to 2ap would be sufficient.
I'm torn.
On the one hand, characters without marker/chalk/etc would already be penalized as they could only remove messages, not create new ones. This is already a penalty, so it doesn't need a 3 AP cost. A 2 AP cost is good enough.
On the other hand, 2 AP is only slightly higher than 1 AP. We're adding additional complexity ("AP cost is increased when you don't have writing materials"), but the increase in cost is so minor that it would have little effect.

Still... I'll stick with 3 action points. It allows people to remove stuff if they find it particularly disagreeable, but people probably won't use it to remove the good stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The marker was designed to last longer (it has a base 1/3 chance to run out of ink, as opposed to the 1/2 odds of a chalk) than chalk. It's also harder to find.

It used to have justification for being a little underpowered since it also weighed 1, but now it's weightless so really it's down to preference if you'd rather just stock up on a ton of chalk or go find a marker. Or just kill someone and write your message in the blood of the innocent (and the less so). Personally I never found much incentive to find a marker, although I also have 99 pieces of chalk. So that's likely a factor in my disinterest.

Just tossing in my two bits regarding the marker/chalk relationship.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of me is puzzled as to how a character can have no chalk, the lowest amount a character has across all my alts is 17 (the rest vary from 50 to 177).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

corky wrote:
Part of me is puzzled as to how a character can have no chalk, the lowest amount a character has across all my alts is 17 (the rest vary from 50 to 177).


Not all characters search for items.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saulres wrote:
Not all characters search f̶o̶r̶ ̶i̶t̶e̶m̶s̶.
Fixed that for you. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was kinda implemented in the update that gave many T2/T3 classes the ability to write with their innate weapons. When it comes to taking it further, there is the issue that trolling (by mass erasing) is easy and leveling is hard, so we want players to have some investment in the game before they can have a mass influence on it like that.

Abusive chalks (e.g. OOC threats, sexually explicit messages, mass advertising) are an admin issue and should be reported so we can do something about it.
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